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Postby zensun on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:33 pm

"Neither the "I" nor its objects are exclusively reality. And realization is not a radical activity of self in relation to experience. It is not to be the "Self" or some divine quantity over against the present experience. It is to be no longer confused by an exclusive assertion of the absoluteness of self or of experience. Thus, the libertine asserts the necessity of his objects via his desires. And the saint asserts the necessity of his true "self" apart from his desires. But in truth the form of reality itself is the only reality, and within it self and object are functions that have no absolute, separate value.
It should be clear, then, that realization is a present, ongoing activity. It is not a once and for all exclusive state. It is simply real, creative life that has not abandoned or identified with any absolute function."
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Postby zensun on Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:57 pm

Experience is void. It is without form,. without qualification, without limitation or center. Memory is form, qualification, limitation, and the implication of subject or person. The infinite, the true, the unqualified, the real is always already intuited, but there is a functional confusion imposed by the memory of experience as images, sensations, reactions, feelings, etc. with boundaries, and a center.
Even the "I" and "me," "you," "it," even the "Self" have no exclusive reality. All of these are functions, moments within a great process. And only that process itself, as a whole, is reality. There is no stability, no sufficiency, no epitome in the unique form of anything. Every manifestation is a moment inseparable from the force and consciousness of the whole.
The avoidance of relationship or inherent unity is the key process in consciousness. It is the root cause of all suffering, ignorance and misadventure.
The primary activity of avoidance of inherent unity is the root source of the implication of self and object. It is the means whereby this perception is created and enforced. When crucial insight is regained through the creative work of understanding, it becomes clear how the entire enterprise of ordinary consciousness, even in its most evolved forms, is a trap, an exclusive double-bind wherein life becomes interiorized within an artificial perception and activity.
The avoidance of relationship, whatever its causes in a real cosmology, history or physics, is what men ordinarily consider to be perception. The activity of perceiving something, anything, by any means, whether via sense experience, memory, or other mental process is the very activity that creates the primary form wherein we cause our suffering.
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Postby GW in Ohio on Tue Feb 09, 2010 3:50 pm

You're an entertaining little Daist monkey, zensun. I'll say that for you.
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Re: I'm back!

Postby ...oneLove on Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:15 pm

GW in Ohio wrote:You're an entertaining little Daist monkey, zensun. I'll say that for you.

Thanks for that GW. Image
For some reason it reminded me of Frank talking about when he was a youngster...
FJ wrote:I made a puppet theatre in the cellar and put on shows for the neighbors and their children and all my relatives. Then I was a ventriloquist and until I was thirteen I always performed comedy with my dummy at school.

Maybe the act is still going on - from the other side? And zensun is among the dummy puppets that continuously parrot Frank's words.

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Re: I'm back!

Postby zensun on Tue Feb 09, 2010 8:11 pm

Flattery will get you nowhere!
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Postby zensun on Thu Feb 11, 2010 3:27 pm

Far and a cunthair away, in a timeless abode there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning in such a manner that it stretches out infinitely in all directions.
This mesh of possibilities is called Time!
In accordance with some extravagant taste, there hangs a single glittering jewel in each eye of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number.
There hang the jewels, glittering like stars of the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now look closely at any one of the jewels for inspection, we will discover that in its polished surface are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflection process.
What a mess!! Say, what time is it?
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Re: I'm back!

Postby ...oneLove on Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:08 pm

zensun wrote:Far and a cunthair away, in a timeless abode there is a wonderful net which has been hung by some cunning in such a manner that it stretches out infinitely in all directions.
This mesh of possibilities is called Time!
In accordance with some extravagant taste, there hangs a single glittering jewel in each eye of the net, and since the net itself is infinite in dimension, the jewels are infinite in number.
There hang the jewels, glittering like stars of the first magnitude, a wonderful sight to behold. If we now look closely at any one of the jewels for inspection, we will discover that in its polished surface are reflected all the other jewels in the net, infinite in number. Not only that, but each of the jewels reflected in this one jewel is reflecting all the other jewels, so that there is an infinite reflection process.
What a mess!! Say, what time is it?

Elementary, my dear Watson, it's "Indra's Net" and since it is often used to illustrate the Buddhist concept of "emptiness" it would be "empty" of time....

The metaphor of Indra's Jeweled Net is attributed to an ancient Buddhist named Tu-Shun (557-640 B.C.E.) who asks us to envision a vast net that:

*at each juncture there lies a jewel;
*each jewel reflects all the other jewels in this cosmic matrix.
*every jewel represents an individual life form, atom, cell or unit of consciousness.
*each jewel, in turn, is intrinsically and intimately connected to all the others;
*thus, a change in one gem is reflected in all the others.

And it might look something like this...

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Re: I'm back!

Postby zensun on Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:12 am

Dude, so you admit you're not a jewel, just a bubble.
Pop!
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Re: I'm back!

Postby ...oneLove on Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:25 am

zensun wrote:Dude, so you admit you're not a jewel, just a bubble.
Pop!

Ahhhh YES! And once the bubble has burst, the separating (and illusory) membrane has vanished and "Oneness" is realized.

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Re: I'm back!

Postby zensun on Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:23 pm

...oneLove wrote:
zensun wrote:Dude, so you admit you're not a jewel, just a bubble.
Pop!

Ahhhh YES! And once the bubble has burst, the separating (and illusory) membrane has vanished and "Oneness" is realized.

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Realizing Oneness, answer quickly before thinking, "Who is Adi Da?"
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